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		<title>By: old knees</title>
		<link>http://blog.3four3.com/2009/08/24/elite-player-yes-or-no/comment-page-1/#comment-19791</link>
		<dc:creator>old knees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 00:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the 2 year cycle of the u17 world cup leaves many &quot;off year&quot; late maturing kids off the radar...for good. For boys that is those with odd year birthdates, for girls even years. Yes a few of the off years make it on the u17 rosters, but they will not be the late maturers. As already pointed out, the pool is largely selected at 14 or 15 years. There is no way a perfectly normal, but essentially pre pubescent 14 year old boy will be able to compete with man children already at their final adult height if not quite weight, no matter how dramatic is his skill. In europe, the selectors, might have the vision to keep him long enough until his body declares itself, but not here in the US. It&#039;s supposed to even out at U20 which would favor the off years, but in reality, much of their future has already been decided and many of the U17 YNT  will find themselves back in a U20 youth cup. The U23s again favor the original group.  Is anyone watching the &quot;off years&quot; to keep a potentially great player from falling throught the cracks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the 2 year cycle of the u17 world cup leaves many &#8220;off year&#8221; late maturing kids off the radar&#8230;for good. For boys that is those with odd year birthdates, for girls even years. Yes a few of the off years make it on the u17 rosters, but they will not be the late maturers. As already pointed out, the pool is largely selected at 14 or 15 years. There is no way a perfectly normal, but essentially pre pubescent 14 year old boy will be able to compete with man children already at their final adult height if not quite weight, no matter how dramatic is his skill. In europe, the selectors, might have the vision to keep him long enough until his body declares itself, but not here in the US. It&#8217;s supposed to even out at U20 which would favor the off years, but in reality, much of their future has already been decided and many of the U17 YNT  will find themselves back in a U20 youth cup. The U23s again favor the original group.  Is anyone watching the &#8220;off years&#8221; to keep a potentially great player from falling throught the cracks?</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 17:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Other than identifying the most technical and intelligent players, identifying (future) elite players is pretty much a crapshoot anyway. There&#039;s just too many variables. When they&#039;re very young (under 14) you tend to look at the kids playing center mid (where their control, passing and vision are on display) and maybe the forwards/strikers (dribbling/finishing ability.)

What about outside mids and defenders? Usually the defenders are the bigger and stronger &quot;athletes&quot; that happen to hit their growth spurts early. So, in terms of development, you are essentially only &#039;developing&#039; 2-4 players on a given team.

very few &#039;elite&#039; defenders at u11-u14 end up having the technical (and even the physical ability) to play successfully beyond the youth level. No point in addressing keepers, we don&#039;t seem to have issues there.

A lot of the players deemed &quot;elite&quot; at 13 and 14 are identified because of physical maturation ALONE! Sure, in most cases, the physical playing field levels by 16 or 17. But by then it&#039;s too damned late! Our U17 national team pool is chosen in their U15 year! A huge investment of resources on such a small group.

I have come to the realization that no club, team, coach, league et. al is going to &quot;develop&quot; my kid. Likely, the less interaction with the mainstream youth soccer complex the better. Playing with and against adults, trying out for the local PDL team at 16 and setting up trials with the best teams possible is starting to look much more attractive (and much less expensive) than the traditional youth pathway.

We live in a geographically isolated area, so the Development Academy clubs aren&#039;t an option for us. We&#039;ve done the ODP thing but that&#039;s another rant. (He has the dreaded december birthday)

Any thoughts or suggestions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other than identifying the most technical and intelligent players, identifying (future) elite players is pretty much a crapshoot anyway. There&#8217;s just too many variables. When they&#8217;re very young (under 14) you tend to look at the kids playing center mid (where their control, passing and vision are on display) and maybe the forwards/strikers (dribbling/finishing ability.)</p>
<p>What about outside mids and defenders? Usually the defenders are the bigger and stronger &#8220;athletes&#8221; that happen to hit their growth spurts early. So, in terms of development, you are essentially only &#8216;developing&#8217; 2-4 players on a given team.</p>
<p>very few &#8216;elite&#8217; defenders at u11-u14 end up having the technical (and even the physical ability) to play successfully beyond the youth level. No point in addressing keepers, we don&#8217;t seem to have issues there.</p>
<p>A lot of the players deemed &#8220;elite&#8221; at 13 and 14 are identified because of physical maturation ALONE! Sure, in most cases, the physical playing field levels by 16 or 17. But by then it&#8217;s too damned late! Our U17 national team pool is chosen in their U15 year! A huge investment of resources on such a small group.</p>
<p>I have come to the realization that no club, team, coach, league et. al is going to &#8220;develop&#8221; my kid. Likely, the less interaction with the mainstream youth soccer complex the better. Playing with and against adults, trying out for the local PDL team at 16 and setting up trials with the best teams possible is starting to look much more attractive (and much less expensive) than the traditional youth pathway.</p>
<p>We live in a geographically isolated area, so the Development Academy clubs aren&#8217;t an option for us. We&#8217;ve done the ODP thing but that&#8217;s another rant. (He has the dreaded december birthday)</p>
<p>Any thoughts or suggestions?</p>
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		<title>By: JR</title>
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		<dc:creator>JR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Dec 2011 07:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I am fortunate to have a kid that is genetically gifter.  She is big, fast, athletic and naturally ambidextrous.  I have been concerned that I did not see the fire.  Sure she practices hard.  She plays hard too.  Works her tail off when asked. I just don&#039;t see her coming home and grabbing a ball and heading out to play. I don&#039;t see her flipping to the matches on TV.  She has other interests that take priority when she is not playing.  She has no interest in neighborhood pick up games.  I just don&#039;t see the passion.  

Not doing anything is probably the hardest thing I have ever done as a parent.  The last thing I want to do is push my kid into soccer.  Right now she is 12, loves playing and is starting to show interest in the national team and some collegiate players.  My hope is that this continues to foster interest and it will grow as she achieves more in the game.  I take her to collegiate matches, have put her on a competitive team, supported her playing on a middle school team and a 3v3 team in the off-season.  She does camps in the summer and has a trainer help her work on skills and conditioning.  I just feel that that is enough at this age.  

Sure I see other kids do more.  I see kids playing state level ball and traveling all over the country by the time they are 12.  I have also seen kids burn out and drop the sport.  Some girls are playing year-round and quitting by the time they are sophmores in high school.  I have also seen &quot;early peakers&quot; who star in 10-13 years and then get passed by kids who hit their growth spurt.  It is kind of sad to see a kid who has really given everything they have get passed up by a kid who just got their hormones earlier.  Once you see a group of 8th graders literally eat younger, smaller kids alive, you realize that someimes you just have to let nature take its course.  

My kid may one day turn into a real soccer player.  She may move on to another sport.  Only one thing drives my purpose with her.  It is the question I ask her all the time, &quot;Are you having fun?&quot;  

This has been confirmed by college athletes I have had the pleasure of getting to know.  They tell the kids at the camps to lighten up and have fun.  Once they do get a scholarship, it will become a job.  Yeah, you actually do have to put in a full day, every day for that free tuitiion.  I may be overlooking a great opportunity to mold my kid into the next Mia or Brandie.  But I think those kids really molded themselves with an amazing passion for the sport and their coaches and parents just kept them on the right track..  Thanks for the tips.  I really enjoy the advice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I am fortunate to have a kid that is genetically gifter.  She is big, fast, athletic and naturally ambidextrous.  I have been concerned that I did not see the fire.  Sure she practices hard.  She plays hard too.  Works her tail off when asked. I just don&#8217;t see her coming home and grabbing a ball and heading out to play. I don&#8217;t see her flipping to the matches on TV.  She has other interests that take priority when she is not playing.  She has no interest in neighborhood pick up games.  I just don&#8217;t see the passion.  </p>
<p>Not doing anything is probably the hardest thing I have ever done as a parent.  The last thing I want to do is push my kid into soccer.  Right now she is 12, loves playing and is starting to show interest in the national team and some collegiate players.  My hope is that this continues to foster interest and it will grow as she achieves more in the game.  I take her to collegiate matches, have put her on a competitive team, supported her playing on a middle school team and a 3v3 team in the off-season.  She does camps in the summer and has a trainer help her work on skills and conditioning.  I just feel that that is enough at this age.  </p>
<p>Sure I see other kids do more.  I see kids playing state level ball and traveling all over the country by the time they are 12.  I have also seen kids burn out and drop the sport.  Some girls are playing year-round and quitting by the time they are sophmores in high school.  I have also seen &#8220;early peakers&#8221; who star in 10-13 years and then get passed by kids who hit their growth spurt.  It is kind of sad to see a kid who has really given everything they have get passed up by a kid who just got their hormones earlier.  Once you see a group of 8th graders literally eat younger, smaller kids alive, you realize that someimes you just have to let nature take its course.  </p>
<p>My kid may one day turn into a real soccer player.  She may move on to another sport.  Only one thing drives my purpose with her.  It is the question I ask her all the time, &#8220;Are you having fun?&#8221;  </p>
<p>This has been confirmed by college athletes I have had the pleasure of getting to know.  They tell the kids at the camps to lighten up and have fun.  Once they do get a scholarship, it will become a job.  Yeah, you actually do have to put in a full day, every day for that free tuitiion.  I may be overlooking a great opportunity to mold my kid into the next Mia or Brandie.  But I think those kids really molded themselves with an amazing passion for the sport and their coaches and parents just kept them on the right track..  Thanks for the tips.  I really enjoy the advice.</p>
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		<title>By: chris kenny</title>
		<link>http://blog.3four3.com/2009/08/24/elite-player-yes-or-no/comment-page-1/#comment-19621</link>
		<dc:creator>chris kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 20:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks guys. As a parent it can be a real lottery when you have a talented kid because there is a lot of good and bad coaching out there. I agree that development is key, allowing organic development in a fun, fearless environment is the real goal in my opinion. Anyway, Noah just loves to play whether at home with Dad, down the skate park or at his club. Long may the fun and freedom to express himself continue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks guys. As a parent it can be a real lottery when you have a talented kid because there is a lot of good and bad coaching out there. I agree that development is key, allowing organic development in a fun, fearless environment is the real goal in my opinion. Anyway, Noah just loves to play whether at home with Dad, down the skate park or at his club. Long may the fun and freedom to express himself continue.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Morse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Morse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Gary,
I see this on a regular basis.  Unfortunately it is difficult to navigate when you have a talented young player.  Everyone wants them and it is very hard for a parent to understand the best environment for the player.  My advice is to start at the top.  Find out which is the best club around, who provides the best development and go there.  If you don&#039;t make it keep working your way down until you find a good fit.  Much of the time a parent is not interested in development and much of the time neither is the coach they are just looking to find young players to help them rack up wins so they can show everyone what a good coach they are and try to move up the ranks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Gary,<br />
I see this on a regular basis.  Unfortunately it is difficult to navigate when you have a talented young player.  Everyone wants them and it is very hard for a parent to understand the best environment for the player.  My advice is to start at the top.  Find out which is the best club around, who provides the best development and go there.  If you don&#8217;t make it keep working your way down until you find a good fit.  Much of the time a parent is not interested in development and much of the time neither is the coach they are just looking to find young players to help them rack up wins so they can show everyone what a good coach they are and try to move up the ranks.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Kleiban</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Kleiban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 01:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is great advice Matt! Especially for the really young ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great advice Matt! Especially for the really young ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Morse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Morse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 20:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, just let our son enjoy the game.  Try reading the book Play Their hearts out and you will get an idea of what happens to the &quot;Best young players&quot;.  Those who actually make it are one in 100 million.  Remember, you are your son&#039;s dad, not his agent.  Give him the best opportunities, get him the right environment where he can develop, find some people you can trust and develop a strong relationship with him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, just let our son enjoy the game.  Try reading the book Play Their hearts out and you will get an idea of what happens to the &#8220;Best young players&#8221;.  Those who actually make it are one in 100 million.  Remember, you are your son&#8217;s dad, not his agent.  Give him the best opportunities, get him the right environment where he can develop, find some people you can trust and develop a strong relationship with him.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris kenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great blog. What do you see here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdIeZxj5X7Y&amp;feature=youtube_gdata_player
or here 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb9TDMw-CiY&amp;feature=youtube_gdata_player
Or here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em5bj7GJb1A&amp;feature=youtube_gdata_player
Hope you enjoy 

Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great blog. What do you see here?<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdIeZxj5X7Y&#038;feature=youtube_gdata_player" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdIeZxj5X7Y&#038;feature=youtube_gdata_player</a><br />
or here<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb9TDMw-CiY&#038;feature=youtube_gdata_player" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb9TDMw-CiY&#038;feature=youtube_gdata_player</a><br />
Or here<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em5bj7GJb1A&#038;feature=youtube_gdata_player" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em5bj7GJb1A&#038;feature=youtube_gdata_player</a><br />
Hope you enjoy </p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Kephern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kephern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 06:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary i didn&#039;t know you wrote this 2 years ago, crazy exactly the type of literature i need to shove down my parents and players throat ha jk, but really great article that gives a great template to how players should be defined...Again thanks you are providing something us in the real &quot;coaching family&quot; can rely on

Cheers,

Keph</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary i didn&#8217;t know you wrote this 2 years ago, crazy exactly the type of literature i need to shove down my parents and players throat ha jk, but really great article that gives a great template to how players should be defined&#8230;Again thanks you are providing something us in the real &#8220;coaching family&#8221; can rely on</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Keph</p>
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		<title>By: El super kun!</title>
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		<dc:creator>El super kun!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 02:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ufff me sobran calidades! Muy bien Gary sos un genio!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ufff me sobran calidades! Muy bien Gary sos un genio!!!</p>
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